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Fix your autoimmune disease with brilliant insights from Dr. Thomas O’Bryan for HealthBootcamps.
Dr. Thomas O’Bryan is an internationally recognized and sought-after speaker and workshop leader specializing in wheat, its impact on health, and the development of autoimmune diseases as they occur inside and outside of the intestines. In November 2016, Dr. O’Bryan released Betrayal: The Autoimmune Disease Solution They’re Not Telling You, an investigation into the global effects of issues underlying the autoimmune system and chronic disease. Over 500,000 people worldwide have watched the docuseries.
Dr. O’Bryan is considered a ‘Sherlock Holmes’ for chronic disease and metabolic disorders, teaching that the underlying mechanisms that trigger the development of chronic disease are the key to health. He holds teaching faculty positions with The Institute for Functional Medicine and the National University of Health Sciences. He has trained and certified tens of thousands of practitioners around the world in an advanced understanding of the impact of wheat sensitivity and the development of individual autoimmune diseases.
His 2016 groundbreaking book, The Autoimmune Fix, won the National Book Award and ranked first in several categories on Amazon. The book outlines the step-by-step development of degenerative diseases and gives us the tools to identify our disease process years before the symptoms are obvious.
Dr. O’Bryan is the founder of TheDr.com and the visionary behind The Gluten Summit: A Grain of Truth, which brings together 29 of the world’s experts on the gluten connection to diseases, disorders, and a wide range of symptoms. You can find out more at TheGlutenSummit.com.
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[00:01] REENA JADHAV: Dr. Tom over to you. What are the things that someone can do easily, quickly, immediately that can help with this inflammation cascade?
[00:35] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: From the big picture overview, we know that practically every disease is a disease of inflammation that the bodies are on fire. At the cellular levels, the cells are on fire. The question is-is it gasoline or kerosene? Is it a brain cell or kidney cell that is on fire? So the first thing that you want to do is stop throwing gasoline on the fire but that is so much easier said than done because we have a lifestyle that has developed over 20-30-40-50 years of doing things a certain way and so it is the baby steps the base hits that helps to win the ball games so and it depends on the individual some people cannot afford to take a baby step. They have to stop this right now but for most of us if we can transition the odds of moving into long-term habits and being successful for a lifetime are very high. So one of the things we first recommend is to avoid wheat completely at breakfast three times a week. So just come up with some recipes like you are going to have eggs and potatoes without the toast, maybe you will have a little cantaloupe or a piece of water melon instead of the toast a couple of times a week. Whatever there are recipes lots of recipes and the book ‘The autoimmune fix’- has a lot of recipes for this type of thing but you want to avoid wheat that is a primary why? Because Hollon and his team at Harvard they published on this in 2014 and I have five studies in my training for doctors on this. They say the same thing and that is that everyone, every human, every time they eat wheat gets intestinal permeability (leaking gut) every one, every time. Now Mrs. Patient you have an entire new body every 7 years every cell regenerates. Some cells are really quick like the inside lining of your guts every 3-5 days, some cells are very slow like bone cells are really slow but every 7 years you have an entire new body. How does that relate to this wheat thing? Every time you eat wheat, you get intestinal permeability what does that mean. So I am going to back up and give you the visual. If you think of the intestine, your digestive tract is a tube-it starts at the mouth, goes to the other end, about 20-25 feet long, winds around in the inside of your abdomen there. If you are going to take a donut, if you stretch the donut out and you look down the donut that is your intestines- it is the tube right. So when you eat food, when you swallow food it is in the tube, it is not in your body yet, it has to go through the walls of the tube to get into your blood stream and then all those nutrients can go to your brain and everywhere else right. How does it do that? When you eat proteins, proteins are like a pearl necklace and hydrochloric acid made in your stomach undoes the crust of the pearl necklace. Now you have a string of pearls and the enzymes that are produced by your gallbladder and your liver and your pancreas and the macrobiotic in your gut all these enzymes act as scissors to cut the pearl necklace into smaller clumps of the pearl necklace; smaller clumps, smaller clumps, smaller clumps, until you get down to each individual pearl of the pearl necklace that’s called an amino acid. Now inside the tube is aligned with cheese cloth and as you know cheese cloth keeps the big stuff from getting through, it only lets the little stuff go through. So the pearls of the pearl necklace when they are small enough go right through the cheese cloth, right through the walls of the intestines into the blood stream and then those pearls-those amino acids get used to make new bone cells and brain cells and hormones and transmitters-nerve transmitters all the things that our body need are made from the amino acids that was sniff, sniff, sniffed off right. When you eat wheat every human if you are human if you are listening to this you are human this means you, every human when you eat wheat, you tear the cheese cloth but the fastest growing cells in the body are the inside lining of the intestines so it heals. You have a sandwich for breakfast, you tear the cheesecloth-it heals, you have toast for breakfast it tears the cheese cloth-it heals, sandwich for lunch it tears the cheese cloth-it heals, pasta for dinner it tears the cheese cloth-it heals, croutons on your salad it tears the cheesecloth-it heals, a cookie it tears the cheese cloth-it heals, day after day after day after day until one day you cross the line and you do not heal anymore. That is called loss of oral tolerance- oral meaning what we eat. Loss of oral tolerance and when you cannot tolerate this stuff anymore, and you do not heal from it anymore, now you get the leaking gut and now these bigger molecules called macromolecules get into the bloodstream through the tears of the cheese cloth. They are not supposed to get in there yet. They are supposed to go further down the intestines being sniff, sniff, sniffed but they get through too early these macromolecules get in and your immune system trying to protect you from these macromolecules says this is not something I could use to make new brain cells or new heart cells I better fight these and then you make antibodies to that food. So when somebody does a 90 food blood test to see what they are sensitive to and it come back and they are sensitive to 20 or 25 different food, “Oh my God what do I do that’s everything that I eat?” Well of course, it is your immune system is trying to protect you right. Now here is what the autoimmunity comes into play. Is that when the immune system attacks that food let’s say shrimp or fish it doesn’t matter what the molecules are- that protein structure that it is attacking looks very similar to the protein structure of some of your own tissue and so those antibodies to the food start attacking your tissue, they start attacking your joints and you might get rheumatoid arthritis. As in they start attacking the midline-which is the surround wrap around your nerve and you might get MS that’s why the scientists tell us that in the trilogy in the development to autoimmunity disease, there are three things-the genetic bone ability to that particular disease: it cannot do anything about your genes that is the decacurrency you are dealt that is fine not a big deal. The environmental trigger that sets it off like the food molecules that get in that you fight the food and it looks like your own cells and so you start attacking your own cells that is called molecular mimicry and the third thing in the trilogy is intestinal permeability or the leaking gut. So you have to have that leaking gut for the macromolecules to get through or the bacteria to get through into the bloodstream. That is why the scientists say that you can arrest and that’s their language, arrest the development of autoimmune disease by healing the gut so the first thing that we want to do to take care of yourself with a little base hits a couple of days a week I am not going to have wheat for breakfast and you come up with new recipes- there are many guidelines we have got lots of guidelines for you on this.
[08:46] REENA JADHAV: What do you think of the gluten free breads and bagels as replacements? Do you think they are ok or do they create more issues?
[08:57] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: Ok let us talk about that. Over 70%, there is a category of foods called pre-biotics. The pre-biotics are the foods that feed the pro-biotics- the good bacteria in your gut. I will give you a little example that tells you how important this is. There is a type of fat in the blood stream; fastest growing cells in the body inside lining of the gut- those cells the fuel your body uses to make new cells for the inside lining of your gut, that fuel is called butyric acid or butyrate and when you do not have enough butyric acid you make your house out of straws instead of brick. That is why if you google butyric acid and colon cancer; here comes the studies-low butyric acid, high risk of colon cancer because you have made your house out of straw instead of brick. You have made your new cells much weaker, much more vulnerable to morphing into something not good for you right so you want to have enough butyric acid. How do you get butyric acid? Butyric acid is made in your gut by the action of the good bacteria on your gut to vegetable fibers that is why you need vegetable fibers it is because the good bacteria they feed on the vegetable fibers and they make butyric acid that is the end product of that. So the vegetable fibers are called pre-biotics. 70% of the pre-biotic in the Western diet is wheat because not everything about wheat is bad for you but there is much more bad than good to wheat but 70% of the pre-biotic is from wheat so when people give up wheat which is a good thing in general but then they replace it with the gluten free foods, there is no pre-biotics in the gluten free foods and so you do not replace the loss of the pre-biotics that you are getting from wheat. In wheat, it is called arabinoxylans– you do not replace the arabinoxylans by eating the gluten free foods. The result is the good bacteria in your gut starts to die off because it is not getting the food that it needs and 6 months, a year down the road many people going on a gluten free diet are sicker because they did not know how to do it properly so there is nothing wrong with having a gluten free blueberry muffin once in a while. I have gluten free pasta maybe once every three weeks because I missed the feeling of pie. I like pasta so I will have it once every 2-3 weeks but you do not just have it very often and so let us talk about what you do instead so and this is part of the protocol to heal the leaking gut also but it is also the protocol for when you are going wheat free. Mrs. patient when you go buy vegetables at the supermarket always buy organic they are many reasons why maybe we will talk about it later why not GMO stuff but always organic and you buy a couple of every root vegetable in the store root bagels, turnips, parsnips, banishes, sweet potatoes, not so much white potatoes, carrots, every root vegetable you can find because those root vegetables are really good pre-biotics and you have at least one serving a day of a pre-biotic. Then you also go to google and you type in list of pre-biotic foods. Here comes the list and you always have two from the list. Bananas are pre-biotics, artichokes are pre-biotics, you will find there many foods that you recognize oh I like those I could eat those and so you have two pre-biotics from the google list of all the foods that are pre-biotics and one root vegetable a day every day. I do not know how to make turnips, why don’t you do turnips or parsnips well this is what I do. I’m half Italian you know, so I cut up some onion, olive oil, onion, garlic, dice up the root vegetable whatever it is they all go the same way. They go into my pan, they are fried and within 3-5 minutes they are soft and then I just add some spice Italian seasoning or maybe a little peanut sauce or something to my vegetable that mean it is quick and easy and you are getting your root vegetables every day.
[13:54] REENA JADHAV: I actually roast them. I just chop a whole bunch, put it on a tray, stick it in the oven and you just get delicious roasted vegetable.
[14:00] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: There you go yeah it is really easy. My kids gave me a chicken roaster- a roasting thing that you stand it up inside and it goes round in circle like a rotisserie and with the pan underneath I just chop up a bunch of root vegetables and throw them there and the fat from the chicken baking goes down that nice soft juicy stuff in there. They are really simple when you try it at once you find it is not hard at all to try these new things. One root vegetable a day and two other pre-biotics from the list and you are feeding the good bacteria in your gut every day you are creating a healthier environment its base hits and in 6 months from now your guts are in a very different place. It is much healthier, you have got more colonies of the good bacteria and many people have heard a lot about this now and probably one message from the brain telling the gut what to do, there are nine messages from the gut telling the brain what to do. Our brain hormones called neurotransmitters are controlled by what the gut bacteria tell it to do so that is why you want lots of the really good bacteria when you are dealing with depression, when you are dealing with anxiety or with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, you want to make sure you have got a good you are working towards getting a good healthy gut because it makes a world of difference for you-a world of difference.
[15:33] REENA JADHAV: I think that is really where health starts and ends.
[15:35] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: That is exactly right.
[15:38] REENA JADHAV: And we have been, we have not understood that our gut is something that actually has to be taken care of and has to be nurtured and thank you so much for sharing the simple way I mean these are not expensive complicated things you need to do these are simple. Just I call it re-prioritize your shopping list right. Baked goods, packaged, frozen food sort of that’s how my list used to be right. Bread, amy’s, frozen enchiladas, like that used to be the shopping list now the shopping list is carrots, rutabagas, isn’t exactly what you said it is sort of chage, kales, apples.
[16:17] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: Yeah if you don’t know what to do with the stuff for the vegetables the good take away is sauté them with a little olive oil and throw some spices on it, they will be good yeah it is easy and then you will have confidence to try little more sophisticated recipes down the road.
[16:38] REENA JADHAV: And your palate has changed so it is hard to go from an Amy’s and enchiladas to having sautéed carrots. It is not the same palate pleaser but things change and at some point, you are craving those carrots like if I do not get my vegetables, I actually crave them because I think my bacteria is well developed now that and that is everything I am convinced that what we eat is based on what the bacteria that we have got.
[17:06] DR. THOMAS O’BRYAN: Listen again, I am going to give you this is a real geek thing but it is very true right. There are ten times more cells of the bacteria in your gut than all the human cells in the body put together- ten times more bacteria and that bacteria has 100-150 times not 2 times or 3 times, 100-150 times more genes than the human genome and genes control functions. Genes determines how your body functions. Look there is 10 times more of them and they have a 100 times more directions that they send out to the rest of the body so with my friends after a long day in a seminar when we are having a glass of wine by the second glass of wine we are asking the question are we humans with a whole lot of bacteria? Or are we bacteria having a human experience? It sounds geeky but the more science you read, you start to wow I really should respect this bacteria and give it its due and feed it the good foods. I want good strong healthy bacteria in my gut and in the rest of my body the oral cavity and everywhere. I want more healthy bacteria because I see all these studies that it reverses MS, it reverses rheumatoid and it heals a leaking gut. Alright so I am going to focus a little bit a base hit every day on feeding for good bacteria.
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